Some Inaccuracies Regarding Russell

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I had posted a comment on paradosparables regarding some inaccurate statements being made concerning Charles Taze Russell; it appears that my comments are not being allowed, so I am resposting the comments here, with some edits. https://paradoxparables.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/confronting-the-inaccuracies-of-a-false-critique-of-my-post-falling-tulip-petals/

The Assertion is made that Russell “was having bible studies with the leader of the 7th Day Adventist movement”.

Charles Taze Russell started the Watch Tower to defend the atoning sacrifice of Jesus for all, as opposed to the teachings of some of the Second Adventists who were, in effect, denying the necessity of that sacrifice, as well as the “end of the world” doctrines presented by many of the Second Adventists. Russell was never “having Bible studies with the leader of the 7th Day Adventist movement.” Russell did study under some of the authors who had been associated with the “Second Adventist” movement. It is possible that the author of the blog is confusing the “Second Adventists” with the “Seventh-Day Adventists.” The “Second Adventists” had no “the leader”. Supplement of the First Issue of the Watch Tower

The assertion is made that “That is where they got all their failed end time date prophecies based upon a false view and interpretation of the Mayan calendar.”

I know of no association of the Bible study of time prophecies that Russell adopted that had anything to with any kind of interpretation of “the Mayan calendar.” A search of Russell’s and Barbour’s works on the Bible Students Library DVD show no reference whatever of the “Mayan calendar”. William Miller based his expectations on study of the Bible, not the Mayan calendar. However, study of Biblical prophecy and making conclusions concerning that study is not the same as making prophecies. See: Charles Taze Russell – Prophet?

Russell is presented as “the founder of the Jehovah’s Witness”.

Charles Taze Russell, however, never founded any sectarian or authoritarian organization such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses. He was a non-sectarian who actively preached against such sectarianism and authoritarianism. Furthermore, he actively preached against the kind of alleged “Good News” that is preached by that organization. He certainly was not the founder of that which he preached against. The Jehovah’s Witnesses organization was created by Joseph Rutherford after Russell had died. Charles Taze Russell: Founder of the JWs?

CLICK HERE to see what Russell thought about Calvinism.

CLICK HERE to see what Russell thought about Arminianism.

Addendum in Reply to Comments Received:

It is being claimed the same Watch Tower Society of which Russell was the main founder is the same Watchtower Society that Jehovah’s Witnesses use today. Actually, the Watch Tower Society as Russell had left it was virtually destroyed within a few weeks after Russell died. Rutherford introduced and by means of deceit and trickery, had new by-laws passed which, in effect, destroyed the intended structure of the original Watch Tower Society.

Whoever of the Russell family may have been members of the Freemasons does not mean that Russell must have also been a Freemason. We have no reason at all to think that when Russell stated, “I have never been a Mason,” that he was lying. We have tens of thousands of pages produced from Russell’s works that overwhelmingly testify that he was not in league with the Freemasons.

In referring to the Mason “brethren”, it should be obvious that Russell was not saying that they were brothers in Christ, but he was using the term as they refer to each other as “brethren”. In saying “our Masonic brethren”, while Russell, being imperfect, may not have chosen the best way to express it, Russell was not saying that he was acknowledging them as “brethren” in Christ, but in a sense that are our neighbors who consider themselves to be “Masonic brethren”.

See:

The Temple of God

I am a free and accepted Mason

It is being claimed that Russell’s gravestone is a pyramid. This claim is false, but it would not make much difference to us if his gravestone were in the shape of the Great Pyramid. It is the intent of this claim that is of more concern, as it would imply that there something sinister and evil about the Biblical study of the Great Pyramid as God’s Stone Witness. While we do not agree with all of the Edgars’ conclusions, we believe they do present overwhelming evidence that the Great Pyramid is indeed God’s Witness in Egypt.

See:

Is Russell Buried In or Under a Pyramid?

Russell’s Cross and Crown Symbolism — Masonic? Rosicrucian?

Russell’s Pyramid Tomb?

CTR’s Gravestone

Links to John and Morton Edgar’s Works

It is hinted that Russell would deny being a Mason because of Masonic secrecy. Is this logical? Would a man spend most of his money, time and energy sabotaging what is he supposed to be supporting by sabotaging what is is secretly supporting? This logic would work only those who have not actually studied Russell’s writings to know what he taught, and why he taught what he taught.

Russell’s Works Online

It is claimed that Russell used the measurements of the Great Pyramid to date “the end times”. This is deceptive, since Barbour and Russell based their study on the Bible, not the Great Pyramid. The Great Pyramid does support the time prophecies of the Bible, but the measurements of the Great Pyramid only corroborate the Bible; those measurements are not the basis of the dates. It had been presented by several before Russell, based on Biblical time prophecy, that “end times” (The Bible does not say “end times”, it does refer to “the time of the end”) had begun 1798. Russell placed it six months later, in 1799.

It is being hinted that the start of World War was a collaborative effort, evidently between Barbour, or Russell, and the Freemasons. There is no evidence that Barbour, back in 1875, had collaborated with the Freemasons in order to have World War I begin in 1914, or that Russell himself ever collaborated with the Masons to have such a war started. Russell was expecting, from 1904 onward, that the time of trouble was to begin in 1914. He was expecting the end of the world in 1914, and he stated so. He died in 1916 believing that the time of trouble did begin in 1914. I believe that the time of trouble did begin in 1914, and that we are still in that time of trouble.

It is hinted that Russell was expecting “the end of days” in 1914. Russell was expecting the end of the days of the Gentile Times in 1914, and the ending of the Gentiles would bring the foretold “time of trouble”; nevertheless, Russell never used the expression “end of days”. Russell was certainly NOT expecting the end of this world, or the JW kind of Armageddon, in 1914. Russell preached against the kind of Armageddon that Rutherford later taught. A quote is given concerning an expectation (not a prophecy) that Russell had stated in 1889 that the battle of the great day of God Almighty would be over in 1914. Russell rejected that view in1904, ten years before 1914 came.

See:

Beginning of the Time of Trouble – Quotes From Russell

CTR’s Expectations Concerning 1914

It is stated that one cannot force God’s hand. I am sure that Russell would have agreed with that statement. Russell admitted the possibility that he might be in error regarding chronology and/or his expectations related to time prophecy; he never claimed his studies on these to be infallible, nor even necessary doctrine.

See also:

Did William Miller Get His Chronology and Dates From the Mayan Calendar? and Did Russell Claim Infallibilty? Russell, although he had some association with some of the Second Adventists, which neither he nor any of the Bible Students have ever tried to hide, never had any association with the 7th Day Adventists. The genuine history of the relationship regarding these various groups and organizations, however, has never been denied by Bible Students. Russell never believed in a sectarian religious organization such as the 7th Day Adventists, and certainly not the claims of its leaders to have received “visions” from God. We believe as did Russell, that Christ did indeed return in 1874. Although we believe this to be true, we do not try hinder the service of other Christians who may not be able to see this matter; indeed, we, as did Russell, do not even claim that our belief concerning this to be infallible.  And, if in the coming age when all matters will be set straight, we are proven to be wrong, a true Christian should be humble enough to admit that what he was mistaken concerning the matter, and accept whatever discipline may be needed at that time. The reverse is also true; if it is shown in the next age that what we believe is true, those Christians who have rejected this should be humble enough to submit to truth and any necessary discipline. I believe all of us will surprised in some way at errors we have believed. See our study: Parable of the Four Servants — Luke 12:42-48 It is claimed by paraDOXparABLEs: “The fact is I do know what I am speaking about and its based in fact.” We believe that he may be convinced that he knows what he is talking about, but we also believe that we do know what we are talking about, as, for instance, we KNOW Russell’s gravestone is not in the shape of pyramid. Here is a picture of Russell’s gravestone:

Russell’s GravestoneAs one can see, that gravestone is not in the shape of pyramid. There is no way to escape that a statement that Russell’s gravestone is a pyramid is not “based in fact”, except that one totally distort the “fact” to make it appear that Rutherford’s pyramid monument is Russell’s gravestone. And then the “fact” that Russell believed that the Great Pyramid is God’s Stone Witness in Egypt has to be distorted by means of human imagination so as to make it appear that Russell’s belief regarding this was because he was in support of the goals of the Freemasons, which it would have to imagined and assumed that he supported the goals of the Freemasons by spending his wealth, most of his time and energy to sabotage in tens of thousands of pages of material what he is being imagined to have been supporting by such a sabotage. For more information on Charles Taze Russell, see:

Focus on Charles Taze Russell

Regarding Russell’s gravestone:

Is Russell Buried In or Under a Pyramid?

Russell’s Pyramid Tomb?

CTR’s Gravestone

Yes, Russell never lost all faith in the Bible because of the Calvinistic views, but not just because of that, because of the Arminian view also. Both views called for an eternity of unimaginable concious suffering for those considered to be lost according to those views. Russell, once having learned of the ransom for all, rejected both the Arminian views as well as Calvinism, although he did show how the scriptures present both election as well as free will.

Here are some of his sermons or studies pertaining to this (although we are in generally agreement, we do not necessarily agree with all the details of his statements).

What is the True Gospel?

Our Lord’s Return – Its Object, the Restitution of All Things

Conceded At Last

Which is the True Gospel?

Election and Free Grace Can Be Harmonized

The scriptures say nothing about man’s soul being inherently immortal, nor of a triune God. Both doctrines would end up nullified the purpose of Christ’s death. There is no reason for a truth seeker to add those doctrines to scripture.

See our sites:

Life Now and Hereafter

Focus on the Atonement

Jesus and His God

 

 

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Jehovahs Witnesses: Calvinist or Arminian? – A Response To A Critique (Plus Why I Don’t Provide Sources Or Engage In Proof Text Wars): http://paradoxparables.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/jehovahs-witnesses-calvinist-or-arminian-a-response-to-a-critique-plus-why-i-dont-provide-sources-or-engage-in-proof-text-wars/

Every once in a while here I make statement about things that are challenging, because many haven’t studied on the topics presented before. Recently while discussion Calvinism and Armenianism I made a statement about the Jehovah’s Witness, and Jehovah’s Witness decided to take me to task on the issue. The issue was that I stated there is a connection between Adventism and the Jehovah’s Witnesses as a response to hyper-Calvinism. Here is my response.

Jehovah’s Witness, Second Adventist and 7th Day Adventist leaders and founders were having bible studies together at the time of their inception this is something that can be readily studied out. There are plenty of books and internet articles that include these fact. Charles Taze Russel was reacting to Predestination as it was taught by Calvinist. I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness and since have come to the L-rd, yet I have studied their Church history. Let’s take a look at statements about early Adventist and Jehovah’s Witnesses.

They “refused to adopt the doctrines of the immortality of the soul and the trinity.” – David C Pack

Speaking on the Adventist and Church of God’s shared beliefs with the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. The Jehovah’s Witnesses, Second Adventist, Church of God and Seventh Day Adventist in their birth stages where connected together by shared beliefs as well as their leaders, bible studies and students they shared information and values. They parted ways eventually, the fact is they did share common views, a rejection of Hell and Predestination was a major point they agreed in and that brought them together. Calvinism is what created the schism they responded to. Charles Taze Russell the founder of the Watchtower society that spawned the Russellites and Jehovah’s Witness left bible school because he disagreed with Calvinism and that is why he started the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, when he started off he was having bible studies along with the leader of the Second Adventist movement.

“William Miller, pronounced that Christ would return about the time of 1843 to 1844.” – David C Pack

That is where they got all their failed end time date prophecies based upon a false view and interpretation of the Mayan calendar from William Miller. Charles Taze Russell graves stone is a pyramid. If you need further proof do a google search and you can find some relevant information on the connection to Freemasonry and Jehovah’s Witnesses. William Miller was behind the phenomenon in the 1800′s of the movements people seeking to pin the tail on the donkey end time prophets. For information about the modern Jehovahs Witnesses end-time prophecies go here.

“Shortly after the Seventh-day Adventist movement began around 1860, the Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) movement started. This organization was started in Pennsylvania by Charles Taze Russell, and was established as a religious society of ministers. “The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society was incorporated in 1884 with Russell as president…The Society’s magazine, Watchtower, was first published in 1879,” David C Pack

The Church of God movement, eventually gave birth to the Seventh Day Adventist Movement. The Second Adventist movement and Jehovah’s Witnesses were born during this time and at times shared bible students and common beliefs. Being raised a Jehovah’s Witness I know their history and have studied it out for myself. I have also spent almost fifteen years study Church history, the first ten years it was primarily the reformation, the past five to ten its become more of an early church research.

As the critique rightly says the cults appears a few hundred years after Calvinism was first postulated. What came first the chicken or the egg? Calvinism had to exist for them to reject and respond to it right? Oh okay glad we got that clear. Yes Seventh Day Adventist and JW’s are Arminian as a response and reaction to Calvinism. Yet Jehovah’s Witnesses teach a 144,000 elect chosen elders who are elite? Isn’t that a conflicting doctrine? Cults don’t always make sense. Calvinism is connected to Calvin right? The idea started with him the five points are based off his teaching, right? I was rebuked for saying Calvin instead of Calvinism oh so sad. The point matter more than conjecture and bad critique. Calvinism is a response to Arminianism. The vile way the Calvinist bishops defrocked the Arminian bishops smacks of Catholic witch hunts and quackery. Anyways, I really don’t want to talk about the horrible way that they handle the council or Dort. I left that out because we’ll I was trying to keep it on the points of agreement, contention and potential growth.

I don’t provide all the sources because I don’t have the time and I’m not a paid researcher. I would love to go back through the books I’ve read and go through libraries and provide research evidence. This is a blog and I have a family and a life. I don’t have the time to devote to re-inventing the wheel when I have done the research for many years. The fact is I do know what I am speaking about and its based in fact. I felt a call to start writing blogs about what I believe because people need to know things I’ve learned that many aren’t being told. I’m just sharing the truth as I’ve learned it. Now when I write I write my opinions views or slant or understanding of that. Much of my blog was originally written as papers for classes I was taking in bible school, some where sermons and messages I’ve actually preached. For now this blog is one of the ways I preach the good news. With the amount of people who view this blog daily and monthly it is a pulpit to reach people. I seek to inform, inspire and encourage people. I do seek to set the captives free with the liberating truth in Yeshua that resonates throughout the word yet many preachers don’t speak it. So there it is. Why I do what I do.

Some of the false end time prophesies provided by the Jehovah’s Witnesses provided courtesy of CARM.

1897 “Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874,” (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 “…the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced,” (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916
“The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000
year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the
1000 years of Christ’s Reign, began in 1873,” (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918
“Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly
those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human
perfection,” (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914,” (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923
“Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As
to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith
than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge,” (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925
“The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked
forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of
the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year.
This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will
accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be
so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year,” (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925
“It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of
the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work,” (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926
“Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not
state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their
imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst
asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything,” (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931
“There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s
faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which
disappointment lasted for a time…and they also learned to quit fixing
dates,” (Vindication, p. 338).
1941
“Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy
or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord’s provided instrument for
most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon,” (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968
“True, there have been those in times past who predicted an ‘end to the
world’, even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The
‘end’ did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was
missing?.. Missing from such people were God’s truths and evidence that
he was using and guiding them,” (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 “Why are you looking forward to 1975?” (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494)

Source: http://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies
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Response to paraDOXparABLEs comments Submitted on 2011/10/21 at 6:23 am:

Most of what has been said by paraDOXparABLEs has been covered in the the post, and at:

https://ctrussell.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/did-william-miller-get-his-chronology-and-dates-from-the-mayan-calendar/

as well as the various links to our other posts as provided.

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Technically Mr Russel founded the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society which is apart of the global organization of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. There was a split after his death and some who didn’t like the direction of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, left the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society which remains to this day apart of the Jehovah’s Witnesses religious organization. Also Charles Taze Russel comes from the Russel family which is of Masonic origins along with the Rutherfords, Rockefellers and Rothschilds. Most Masons will deny being a Mason since its a “secret” society of brothers. However Charles Taze Russel admitted to being a “free and accepted mason” and that the “masons are our brothers” um they are no brothers of mine. Light has no fellowship with darkness. He preached on the similarities of Masonry and his view of Christianity. His grave stone is a pyramid which he called the heavenly temple and used the measurements of the pyramid to date the end times. There is a lot more that could be said. However time does not permit and well there are other things we could do with our time than vainly debate a mute point. Russel claimed to be a “free and accepted mason” and claimed that his brothers had a lot in common with “masons,” one of his grave stones is a pyramid, of which he called the heavenly temple off of which him and the others Adventist 2nd to 7th day and Church of God believed to point to the end of days originally initiated with the return of Christ in the 1800’s and the end of days in 1914. Those in the Masonic brotherhood were behind world war 1 and seemed to try to bring this false end time prediction to pass however their scheme didn’t pan out. You can not force G-ds hand. G-d does things in His own way and time.

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Regarding the submiossion of araDOXparABLEs on 2011/10/21 at 6:53 am

We have responded to these claims in the body of the post.,

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